Originally by: Marquis Dean

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"The majority of these new missions will not have ISK bounties on NPCs"



New missions in Levels 4 and up will focus on the escalating warfare between the Empires and factions.



Encourages colonization of low security, the higher population providing pirates with more, but tougher (capital-ship-driving-group-flying) pilots.



Slowly involves the "PvE" player in more "PvP" EVE activity.





1/ Killing off activities other than PvP is not going to stop inflation. Stopping macros and T2 BPO lotteries stops inflation.
2/ Enforcing roleplaying on the whole playerbase is extremely ftl.
3/ Forcing PvE players to die to PvP players will lead to cancelled subscriptions, not better population densities.
4/ See 1/, 2/ and 3/.


I know this might seem a bit rich coming from a Privateer but i'm very proud of my carebear roots. 750K lp with good old Lallencard...

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Originally by: Laythun

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Originally by: Nero Scuro

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Originally by: Laythun

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Hehehe well done CCP finally forcing the mission running carebears to work together

:win:

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Work together AND get occasionally ganked by pirates if they think they can still AFK mission running.

:win win:

We're gonna have to defend this change from the whiners this summer though. I'm already getting my flame powers into practice in anticipation.

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Exactly, this isnt a nerf to missions, this is a MASSIVE superpowered nerf bat to solo 'omggrindisksendpricesup' players in a MMOG. definate win win there.

I have had a nice eve-o forums rest and my flaming powers are reaching optimal just in time to slap down the whiners.

/flame on

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Originally by: Ricar

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It's actually very simple question. How many people will quit if they implement this. Actually in every MMORPG there are heck many people, who are older then 16 and have a lot of RL commitments. So playing for half an hour a day is nice, and paying 15 bucks per month is negletable. However, if say 1000 of those "carebears" find particular game lame they quit, and that's -15 000 per month (not sure, if that's much for CCP). If 5000 to 10000 quit, then it's not a question of money, but a question of sociology. When herd moves, predators die out..

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Mods can't contribute to inflation as they aren't money.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Mods can't contribute to inflation as they aren't money.

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Originally by: Halafian

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Originally by: DarkFenix

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[snip pointless flame]

A few rare examples of the insightful forum dwellers have hit on exactly the point though: CCP are not forcing you to play the game a different way. Mission runners can currently make an obscene amount of isk for no risk whatsoever by running lvl 4s in highsec. Much of this isk appears out of thin air and merely causes inflation of the Eve economy.

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I'd bet any sum you care to name that more isk appears from thin air in 0.0 by many orders of magnitude than from empire. Any sum. Complexes, rats, ores, etc -- it's just absurd to think otherwise.

Basically, you're either clueless about Eve, or stretching the rhetoric to make your flame more substantial.

Originally by: DarkFenix

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What CCP are actually doing is encouraging you to enter lowsec for higher risk vs reward. If you still want to farm isk for no risk whatsoever, just stick to empire anyway.

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And wrong again. Check with your developer buddies again, but what's actually being proposed is pretty different. They are dividing the level 4 missions, and moving the hardest -- and most rewarding -- ones to low-sec/0.0. That is a nerf to missions, clear and simple. It means the future of empire mission running is something a bit more than level *3* missions now. You can rant all you like about easy billions in those missions, but it still won't be true.

Originally by: DarkFenix

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To those who want to quit because their precious free isk supply is being nerfed. Please do. I don't care, nobody else (apart from the other crying mission runners) cares and CCP most certainly don't care. You are in the minority, we've had this same round of whines on the forum accompanying every major change since Eve began. Guess what, Eve's subscriber count is still rising. Oh and can I have your stuff?

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Nope.

Eve's subscriber base is rising? Woohoo -- nearly 30k logged in on some nights. When the base is so small, I guess it isn't that hard to show improvement, even after *4 years* of development. But when those 30k are dragged into 0.0 and forced to experience pvp there (gate camps and pos fighting ftl), I guess we'll see how just how much those numbers improve.

I realize you're BoB and all and only your style of play actually matters, but I have a feeling that a few at CCP have a little bigger vision for the game than what suits the good folks at Band of Brothers. I hope so, anyway.

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Originally by: Halafian

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Originally by: DarkFenix

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[snip pointless flame]

A few rare examples of the insightful forum dwellers have hit on exactly the point though: CCP are not forcing you to play the game a different way. Mission runners can currently make an obscene amount of isk for no risk whatsoever by running lvl 4s in highsec. Much of this isk appears out of thin air and merely causes inflation of the Eve economy.

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I'd bet any sum you care to name that more isk appears from thin air in 0.0 by many orders of magnitude than from empire. Any sum. Complexes, rats, ores, etc -- it's just absurd to think otherwise.

Basically, you're either clueless about Eve, or stretching the rhetoric to make your flame more substantial.

Originally by: DarkFenix

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What CCP are actually doing is encouraging you to enter lowsec for higher risk vs reward. If you still want to farm isk for no risk whatsoever, just stick to empire anyway.

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And wrong again. Check with your developer buddies again, but what's actually being proposed is pretty different. They are dividing the level 4 missions, and moving the hardest -- and most rewarding -- ones to low-sec/0.0. That is a nerf to missions, clear and simple. It means the future of empire mission running is something a bit more than level *3* missions now. You can rant all you like about easy billions in those missions, but it still won't be true.

Originally by: DarkFenix

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To those who want to quit because their precious free isk supply is being nerfed. Please do. I don't care, nobody else (apart from the other crying mission runners) cares and CCP most certainly don't care. You are in the minority, we've had this same round of whines on the forum accompanying every major change since Eve began. Guess what, Eve's subscriber count is still rising. Oh and can I have your stuff?

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Nope.

Eve's subscriber base is rising? Woohoo -- nearly 30k logged in on some nights. When the base is so small, I guess it isn't that hard to show improvement, even after *4 years* of development. But when those 30k are dragged into 0.0 and forced to experience pvp there (gate camps and pos fighting ftl), I guess we'll see how just how much those numbers improve.

I realize you're BoB and all and only your style of play actually matters, but I have a feeling that a few at CCP have a little bigger vision for the game than what suits the good folks at Band of Brothers. I hope so, anyway.

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Originally by: Sammiel

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Eve mission runners have to be the whiniest group of players here.

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Originally by: Gudrun Hart

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Originally by: Wayward Hooligan

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Us pirates might lose our ships but we'd all love the fight. I think thats the big difference between carebears and pirates.

Carebears try to "win eve" by whoring missions all day and never taking any risks at all.

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Carebears like to play that way because the have fun with it. If you cant understand that, ok, no problem. But at minimum you should respect the way.

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Originally by: Halafian

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And, by the way, the White Wolf merger has disaster written all over it.

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Originally by: Malkavian Spirit

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maybe all the carebears can quit the game now so we can have some real pvp again \o/

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